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Pornography

I think fictional pornography should be added, as 3D models, raytracing and transformer image creation are almost completely realistic now, and the fictionality makes it hard to judge the features of the scenes that are of legal-moral interest. As far as I understand, the criminalisation is based on the idea of motivating people to act, so a comparison to murder video games and street racing simulations should be made.

Gambling, Victimless crime in general

Those article really misses the mark in terms of defining and elaborating on what makes a crime victimless. It touches on it, but then gets lost in the weeds talking about specific laws for crimes that are often considered victimless. The elaboration on specific drug laws and sodomy laws doesn't actually enlighten the principle topic any further.

Also, it leaves out a classic example of an often-claimed victimless crime, gambling (and casinos). Not only is this a go to example, it's great for the topic since different communities have variable standards on what is legal vs illegal gambling, eg some communities allow bingo and lottery tickets, but not slots or casinos, even though the prohibition against casinos is usually based on assumptions that are also true of lottery, etc.

The John Stuart Mill part about sovereign self is interesting and is a good starting point for improvement. As well as the Chicago law definition. For example, should prostitution be thought of as victimless if the prostitute has a pimp that is making her or him have sex? This would be rape, essentially, if her consent is forced by her pimp. Point being that this article could dive into how some crimes may appear victimless, but are not. For example, if two people consensually agree to get drunk and play chicken in a public parking lot, this would be wreckless endangerment even if they were both okay with the activity. I'm sure this sort of nuance is explored in philosophy and jurisprudence, and would really improve this article.

Crazytonyi (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for renewing the article

Its better to assume that criminal activity is not considered victimless anylonger. Piracy/Copyrights infringement is regarded as a victimless crime though it still has victims to begin with, mainly employed artists and sometimes additionally so, even sparetime artists. Many ISPS do not file blockage of such content and neither so do far too many others on the internet. Consequence to this? Infected serverside leading most likely to infected clientside later on. So even nonwilling people are nowadays illegally persuaded to still opt in for pirating others. Seen this phenomenon on many not IT security akin webpages from even computer magazines. The access tools are found also much on search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo! and Lycos who all do not unindex this sort of a search result. Only Startpage.com blocks this off for good. But ask even Startpage about other crimesrelated stuff and you are failing even here with your proposed zero search results on illegals even here. Very bad to see that rest of illegals is not unindexed even here (selftested, found stuff is all other crimes-stuff other than Piracy and Malware, its only Piracy and Malware seeing the unindexations thereof, rest is still illegally on and remaining even in these search results, damn). 2001:9E8:1218:D601:40EE:C5E4:DC72:2B54 (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]